The Science of Change: Neuroplasticity Meets HeartMath. A Conversation with Nisha Srivastava (Epi. #225)

In this insightful episode, Shilpa speaks with Nisha, who has a diverse background rooted in dance, holistic health, and the study of neuroplasticity. Nisha shares her fascinating journey from running a dance school and working in Bollywood to exploring Pilates, yoga, and mindfulness. She delves into the connection between movement and healing, emphasizing the importance of creativity and energetic balance for overall health. The discussion covers topics such as the impact of emotions on physical health, the role of the heart in connecting with others, and the importance of self-love and changing one's environment to foster growth. This episode offers a holistic view of well-being, touching on the influence of food, chakras, and the significance of water in maintaining a healthy life.

Bio:

Nisha Srivastava is a celebrated Pilates and Yoga instructor with over two decades of influence in the wellness world. From her roots in dance and a brief Bollywood career to founding Pilates Manchester & North West Pilates & Yoga Centre, Nisha blends movement, mindset, and anatomy to support clients and athletes alike.

She’s developed rehabilitation and performance programs for major UK sports teams and helped shape the next generation of wellness professionals through her teaching and training. A certified STOTT PILATES instructor with advanced studies in yoga and functional movement, Nisha is known for her holistic, dynamic approach to health.

Her mission is rooted in her diverse heritage—from the North West of England to Lucknow, India—and her vision is to create a healthier planet where people live in peace and harmony through mindful movement and conscious living.

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nisha_nsrivastava@hotmail.com

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Shilpa: Well, welcome Nisha. How are you doing? 

[00:00:07] Nisha: I am good. Tk Shilpa. Tk. 

[00:00:11] Shilpa: Oh, that's wonderful. You know, and I always get excited when I meet someone who may have some lineage or connection to India, and that's wonderful. And you said you're half Indian, right? 

[00:00:23] Nisha: Yes, I am. My father comes from Leno. I'm a mother, was from Liverpool.

[00:00:29] Shilpa: Oh, so a good 

[00:00:30] Nisha: mix. 

[00:00:30] Shilpa: Good mix. Absolutely. My husband's American, so my son's a good mix as well. 

[00:00:37] Nisha: Yes, I bet. 

[00:00:38] Shilpa: Um, so without further Janisha, I, I know that I've been excited to talk to for quite some time and there are a variety of topics where we could kind of zero in on, but. At larger, could you first share your journey into this, what I call more of the energy space and your journey, [00:01:00] and then how you arrived into even the, maybe the niche understanding of neuroplasticity?

[00:01:05] Shilpa: I. 

[00:01:07] Nisha: Shilpa. So I'm originally from a dance background and I had a dance, um, school for many years and then I had a short stint working in Bollywood for Devon and son Sunil Andand when I was very young. And then from there I took early retirement and it sort of progressed into Pilates, yoga, mindfulness.

[00:01:27] Nisha: Holistic health with Paul Check, and once you start to inquire and look outside the box, you see how everything in the body is controlled by the mind. But the challenge of the human being is actually to lead with the heart and not with the mind. So I deal very much now with chronic pain patients, back pain patients, people with dis-ease, where the body's not at.

[00:01:53] Nisha: Ease, like fibromyalgia can be anything from cancer, and as you said, the words [00:02:00] energy, where our attention goes, our energy flows. So although I originally started in movement then onto Bollywood and now at a holistics perspective, looking at the body from a place of feeling and being, rather than thinking.

[00:02:17] Shilpa: Well, that's absolutely a fascinating journey. And I also just wanted to comment on, um, the movement form of dancing. 'cause I really do believe that when you start feeling the joy in whatever you're doing, and it could be dancing, which I've always loved, then it, it may accentuate your experience in healing.

[00:02:39] Nisha: It does indeed show us. So there's so many research papers out there and scientific papers on dancing. And the reason being is anything which is creative like dance, playing music, doing art, singing, drumming, it actually crosses the hemispheres and we have a better ability to. Heal because we [00:03:00] go out of our left brain and into our right, and as you say, we feel, and those things are very, very therapeutic.

[00:03:08] Nisha: So I'm gonna read you a beautiful quote. Instead of consuming, we go from consumption to creating and that's the important of dance. And I myself practice something called ecstatic dance. And I take a weekly class in the UK in something called Five Rhythms, and I believe you have it in the States as well.

[00:03:28] Nisha: I. 

[00:03:29] Shilpa: I will definitely follow up on that. I've, um, engaged in a variety of forms of dancing my entire life, and I'm by no means in your caliber, but I just get joy from it. And I, even when I observe dancers, like a classic Indian dancing or even Oh yes, you know, European dancing and just watching people dance, there's something so healing about it.

[00:03:54] Nisha: There is Shilpa and I have to say as well at Shilpa there is none of us. None of us are [00:04:00] better than each other. We all have our specialties and our niches. So while I might be more expressive in my dance movement, you'll be more expressive in other areas of life. I. So the biggest myth we have in life is that we are all separate.

[00:04:14] Nisha: But going back to neuroplasticity, we are all connected at a cellular level. So the Institute of Heart Math has shown when we walk into a room, particularly when we dance or we find any sort of freedom, the heart resonates to the people around us, and that's very important. 

[00:04:34] Shilpa: Oh, that is one of my passions as well, and I talk a lot about it.

[00:04:37] Shilpa: On, um, my podcast is HeartMath, uh, heart resonance and connecting to that space, especially as I've become more mature in my practices in meditation. I almost cognitively remind myself, it sounds silly, but when I'm meditating, I'll be like, okay, drop into the heart. Drop into the heart. [00:05:00] 

[00:05:00] Nisha: We do because the heart is like a beautiful lotus flower.

[00:05:04] Nisha: So for the listeners in Hindi, the Lotus flower is the Padma and the Padma survives in the dirtiest of waters and lakes in India, and it truly can blossom. I. So if you've got the belief, you can do something, you will. So going back to your neuroplasticity Shilpa, there is a very famous guy called Dr.

[00:05:25] Nisha: Bruce Lipton and he has written a book on epigenetics. And about 20 years ago, he was laughed out of science, but now it is been proven that we can change our genes. So the genes load the gun. The environment pulls the trigger. So by putting yourself in a different environment and by practicing different things, we start to change.

[00:05:48] Nisha: When we start to change, we can change ourselves at a cellular level, and the telomeres as well will start to grow instead of shrink, because we want to keep the telomeres [00:06:00] long and expanding. When we don't challenge ourselves, we become. You know, intertwined in the body, a shrinking, a withheld field. You know exactly what you said, not expressing.

[00:06:12] Nisha: So I've said that very basically, and there's more science to that, but we want to keep our telomeres expanding and long instead of shrinking and dying. 

[00:06:22] Shilpa: You know, and metaphorically, when we talk about spirituality and spiritual growth, it is always about expansion. But when we are feeling. I would say emotionally distraught or um, in a dark space, there's this metaphor of contraction and feeling stuck, and I do believe that when we desire that growth, I.

[00:06:48] Shilpa: Or what some may people call healing. There's, you're opening yourself to that opportunity for expansion. It could be on a cellular level or like you were even talking about. It could be just your [00:07:00] arms flowing in a dance movement. 

[00:07:03] Nisha: That's right. Well, if we think of ourselves as a tree, and the tree is a beautiful, um, yoga posture, so all the roots in the trees, we, we as human beings are connected between nature and we are an expression of nature.

[00:07:17] Nisha: I. We have stopped that happening. So all the trees' roots communicate with each other. So when we get find our firm grounding, it's true what you've said, a lot of us don't want to express and grow up and expand our leaves and open out, but that is where we need to explore the world because if we stay in the same behavior.

[00:07:40] Nisha: With the staying habits, nothing happens. We've got to expand out, express ourselves through nature, 'cause we are nature and that's when the true healing can really happen. 

[00:07:52] Shilpa: Absolutely we are nature. And when you were talking about Dr. Lipton, it, it also reminded me of someone more, [00:08:00] um, more mainstream these days at least.

[00:08:03] Shilpa: Is Dr. Joe Dispenza? Oh yes. You know, and I recently have been, um, well not that recent. It's been last three, four years going really deep into shifting habits on a very deeper cellular level through meditation. And I love the expression of. Um, getting out of the habit of being you. 

[00:08:24] Nisha: Yes. Well, Shilpa, this is the thing.

[00:08:27] Nisha: So in a lot of Indian yogis, they actually change their name. So I do a lot of study in India and I study a lot with Asho. So, uh, you know, in the asho practices, although he's not alive. So when you become a son Yes. And you change your name, it's. The same in Buddhist practices. And this is important because if I say to you, Shilpa, you associate me saying Shilpa with every behavior, every telling off you have, be, you know, had as a child the same as you say to Nisha.

[00:08:57] Nisha: So one of the practices I'm doing at the moment is my [00:09:00] Pilates studio is not behaving as Nisha. Not, you know, acting as Isha, because if I behave as Isha, I get the same results. So I've given myself a different name. I've actually given my name of an elite runner, um, who's, you know, a bit mature now called Paula Radcliffe.

[00:09:18] Nisha: So by behaving as a different person, you take on a different personality. When you take on a different personality, your inner reality changes, and that's when change happens. 

[00:09:30] Shilpa: That is so interesting you should say that. 'cause I have this book here next to me. Um, but the gist of it is, um, it refers to your alter ego.

[00:09:41] Shilpa: And so in the morning when I do my mindset practice, I've over the years collected. Names of individuals or avatars that I truly believe they emulate the best of whatever that one quality is. So one friend is very composed all the time. [00:10:00] Another one is always enthusiastic. So I, I go through their names and each morning I, I put on that.

[00:10:06] Shilpa: Hat, so to speak, or persona. And I remind myself that by behaving like the individual or avatar I want to become, I'm making that subtle shift on a cellular level. Right it is, 

[00:10:21] Nisha: and it's exactly what you said, Shilpi. You hit the nail on the head. It's the subtle shift on a cellular level. And you know, it's really important because the more we risk being rejected in life, the better chances we have of being accepted.

[00:10:37] Nisha: So sometimes when we say these ideas to people and not always excited. Accepted, but the more rejection we have, the actual more ability we will have to change because change happens from a place of pain in my experience. So when people are in a chronic pain situation or they have a painful relationship, painful divorce, pain of money, that's when the shift [00:11:00] can happen at a cellular level.

[00:11:01] Nisha: So you either repeat the same behavior and stay in the same way you are, or you change your perspective. And when you change your perspective. Sonar, the cells will start to change and you will start to get a different result. 

[00:11:15] Shilpa: That's so fascinating. And there are, um, individuals who may not understand this, but when I meditate, I actually don't, even though I'm, I've been doing it my entire life, I'm trained in it, but I struggle and I often ask the universe like, what am I struggling?

[00:11:33] Shilpa: I, in theory, I've had all the training and then sometimes my consciousness reminds me, maybe it's like the seed that's under the ground and it's still. Growing. 

[00:11:46] Nisha: It is Shilpa. And it's funny you said about meditation. 'cause meditation comes from the east and I find it very difficult to meditate because I have very strong, um, Indian traits of travel.

[00:11:58] Nisha: So gypsies [00:12:00] originally, uh, originated from India. So Indian people are always. Doing, always going somewhere, always traveling. It's very much a habitual pattern and always working. They are very much workaholics because in order to change their circumstances, they had to work very hard in the past to prove themselves.

[00:12:19] Nisha: So I have those traits and it's funny, I can see them in other Asian people, but you very rarely see them in yourselves. But what you see in others is actually. A mirror of what's in myself. So for my meditation Chopra, I tend to do walking meditation or dance meditation because to sit is just, you know, quite challenging for me.

[00:12:40] Shilpa: Yeah. I, and I do hear that from a lot of people. It's taken a lifetime of practice for me. Yes. And the, the stillness. I feel is remarkable. Um, I like what you were saying though, and this might be a little bit of a leap or jump, but when you were talking about how [00:13:00] we epigene genetically or through ancestors have certain traits built in, so being the gypsy type and being the workaholic, I don't wanna say workaholic, but maybe that's another way to articulate it.

[00:13:16] Shilpa: Um. With my upbringing, it was the case that, you know, as a new generation of Indians coming to the states and having to prove themselves, yes, coming with very dire means back home. And so that level of struggle was always growing up. And, um, the other day I got, well, not, this had been a few months now, I started going deeper into human design.

[00:13:45] Shilpa: And I'm a manifesting generator according to the charts. And I was thinking to myself the other day, well, they say manifesting generator just works, works, works until they drop. But I can change that. [00:14:00] I want to change that. Even written in the star stuff. 

[00:14:06] Nisha: Yes, we can't change the outside, but we can change our perception.

[00:14:10] Nisha: So as the photographer says, if you don't like the view, change the angle. So that's very, very important what you've said, Shilpa. But a lot of people don't want to hear that. So a lot of us, including me at times in our life. We'll play the victim, the saboteur, you know, and we'll stay victimizing ourselves.

[00:14:29] Nisha: And that is called the Carman Triangle. So it's where you swap between the victim, the victimizer, and the saboteur, and you keep going between the three, and there's usually one or two other people involved. But the most important thing is to take a step out and look at it. Where have you learned this behavior?

[00:14:47] Nisha: Why are you repeating it? And why are you reacting the same? Because we want to come from a place of reflection. Rather than reaction. 

[00:14:56] Shilpa: Absolutely. And that is, again, a lifetime of [00:15:00] practice. I see it more and more instantaneously when the reactive old script comes out. Yes. And then I often, I will look at it going, I'm having an out of body experience 'cause I don't want to be that.

[00:15:13] Shilpa: Why am I being that way? 

[00:15:15] Nisha: Yes, yes. Uh, but at least awareness is the first step to change shilpa. So at least we all have awareness. And remember, you know, we are all connected, like you said, at a cellular level. So when we heal ourselves, we actually heal our, heal the planet. So the way to change the world is to change ourselves first, and that's the quote from Gandhi.

[00:15:37] Nisha: Be the change you want to see in the world. We can do it, but it has to start with us. 

[00:15:43] Shilpa: Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, taking the big picture, 'cause again, I find your, um, your journey so fascinating and it's so integral to movement on so many levels. And you've also mentioned Pilates. I, [00:16:00] I can't help but think that you are so deeply embodied in your awareness of energy.

[00:16:06] Shilpa: Could you share a little more about. Within your body, your understanding of movement, and then maybe tie it back to the deeper stuff about neuroplasticity. 

[00:16:19] Nisha: Yes. So at an energetic, um, level, uh, shilpa, people who are listening will know the chakras. So the chakras, um, you know, go up through the body and energy resides in each of those chakras.

[00:16:31] Nisha: So with Chinese medicine, every organ has a relation to emotion. So what happens is, is an energetic level. We cannot separate mu, you know, emotion from the body. So if somebody has bereavement, somebody has divorce, somebody has pain of some sort, mentally you will feel it in a tight chest. You know, the liver, we have sayings in the uk, angry liver green with envy.

[00:16:57] Nisha: You know, all the organs are associated with [00:17:00] different, um, different feelings and emotions. So from an energetic level. The whole idea of energy or the chakra system is actually to grow up the chakra system, so you are eventually at the top, but if you speak to any very, very highly qualified psychiatrist, most of us are stuck at what's called the child archetype, which is the root chakra, which is security and safety in connection to tribe, which is right down at the bottom, which is around age nine to 11.

[00:17:30] Nisha: So the whole idea is that we have the energetic level to climb all the way up. So although it sounds a little bit woowoo, it isn't. You can look at all the politicians, all people around the world. Yes. They have lots of degrees. Yes. They have an adult body. But the behavior comes from a child archetype.

[00:17:49] Nisha: It's from, you know, waiting for mommy and daddy to say yes. And the whole dead part of energy or becoming a true adult is to raise our energy, [00:18:00] climb up the chakra system. So we are free from the lower chakras and we take responsible for adults as ourselves. And remember, you cannot separate the thoughts from the body.

[00:18:11] Nisha: So we are depending on which paper you read. 60 to 70% water. So everything you say out loud and everything you say in your head changes the water, the cells in your body. So it was a Japanese Kai and a, I don't think I've got the pronunciation right. It's like Mr. A Hashimoto or something like that said about the water.

[00:18:33] Nisha: And the power of water. And he did an experiment with rice. So if you are in a negative environment, you keep telling yourself negative things that will manifest at an energetic level somewhere in the body. It can be a joint, it can be an organ, you know it can be anywhere. And let long term, this can lead to dis-ease.

[00:18:54] Nisha: Depression. Depression is lack of expression, so it's not the only thing, but this [00:19:00] is so important for neuroplasticity because if you want to change your, you know, your body is a result as above, so is below. So that comes from the Emerald tablet. So our bodies a reflection of our thoughts and minds. So when we change up here, down here, change our actions, our ability to give back to society changes.

[00:19:26] Shilpa: And I, well, I just find the connection to water, um, even more intriguing because you're now probably my third guest in a row. Wow. Mention the, um, studies that have been done around water, absorbing the energy and the body containing water, but also it absorbing. The energy of the thoughts and um, I would say even our consciousness.

[00:19:58] Shilpa: So yes, there's a [00:20:00] message that's being resoundingly, being told over and over that our body is responding to this and water is a huge element of it. 

[00:20:13] Nisha: It is water is so important and now our water in the water system has become so toxic. We, you know, lots of chemicals in and things, but our water is the gift.

[00:20:23] Nisha: It really is the elixir of life. And you know, it's no good saying things, if you don't take action and you don't believe things, nothing will change. So everything comes back to the basis of love. You cannot love another till you love yourselves. So one exercise I do with Klein Chopper is to hold a mirror and if their name's Joe Blogs, they have to look in that mirror and say, I love you, Joe.

[00:20:49] Nisha: Blogs. But they have to believe it. Most of us can't do that. You feel stupid, you feel silly, and it's because it. Deep down level at the root chakra level, you [00:21:00] don't believe it, but nobody can love you till you love yourself. 

[00:21:05] Shilpa: Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, it, it reminds me of this concept and I, I truly believe it.

[00:21:13] Shilpa: 'cause when all good things have happened in my life, it's because my vi vibratory state has been ready to match what I wanted. And so when you love yourself and that vibration is high, you start attracting like vibration. 

[00:21:33] Nisha: You do shilpa and exactly the opposite. When your vibration's low, you attract a low vibration.

[00:21:40] Nisha: So like attracts like. So misery loves company, so when you are sick shilpa, you will attract other people who are sick. And sometimes we clinging on to that behavior or that archetype of being the victim because that's the only way we can associate ourself is with that problem. Or with that [00:22:00] dis disease and it's, you know, uh, you know, not a great thing to say, but that is very, very true.

[00:22:06] Nisha: So neurons that fire together wire together. So if you want to change, you have to change your perspective. Change what you listen to, change what you speak, change what you watch and change your peer group because your peer group are everything. If you want to see where you are in five years, look at the peer group you're with now.

[00:22:25] Shilpa: Yes, absolutely. There's, um, a phrase around that I recently wrote down, but like, you're the sum total of the five people that are closest to you. Yes. You've probably heard this before. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So Anisha, uh, perhaps those who are international but would still love to learn from you. Could you share some of your projects and initiatives and o obviously I would put it in the show notes, but I know, I find it fascinating, so I I want others to hear about it.

[00:22:55] Nisha: Yes. Well, I have a beautiful free book called Transformation [00:23:00] with Isha, which looks at moving the body the way it was meant to move. So it does strength training and it also talks about Pilates. But what's important in that book, it talks about food and the importance of. Food, because food really grows us into that vibrant tree.

[00:23:17] Nisha: So if you put a tree in really poor quality soil, it's not gonna grow great branches. But if you put a tree in good fertile soil, it's going to grow the strongest ever. So I've got that free book. I also have two or three YouTube channels, which are full of tons of free stuff. You know, this podcast and many other podcasts that I've been on gives lots of.

[00:23:40] Nisha: Free stuff. You really don't have to, you know, spend any money. And our whole purpose in life, chopper is to serve others. So if you don't practice you, you don't thrive no matter how chilled you are. So we all have to practice becoming creators rather than consumers. And the more we give to the universe, the more everything [00:24:00] comes back.

[00:24:01] Shilpa: That's beautiful. And any parting wisdoms for often my audience are those who are, um, I would say at, at a place where they're seasoned in life and they're often thinking of what's next. And they are deeply earnest in growing. So anything that you could share, the one takeaway. 

[00:24:24] Nisha: Okay. Biggest takeaway I could give to anybody if they want to grow is to, you know, find something they associate with that they, uh, and a way of learning is to learn a new skill.

[00:24:35] Nisha: So when you learn a new skill and you are doing something, your mind becomes more open. So do something which resonates with you. So people say to me, Shilpa, shall I do exercise? I say, do the movement that you most likely to do and stick to. So, you know, for me, I love podcasts. I love audio books. I love going to the library.

[00:24:55] Nisha: I love movement. But other people might not. Walking the dog might [00:25:00] be something, you know, learning, um, you know, um, to do train spotting, learning to, you know, airplanes joining a group, you know, mixing with different people. There is wonderful opportunities out there. Uh, but you've gotta put yourself out there to get something back.

[00:25:17] Shilpa: That is, that is a great point. And I, I truly believe that the way in which. You have been, um, showing up in life and giving your gifts to the world is definitely, um, reflecting on your energy. You just have this positive aura about 

[00:25:36] Nisha: you. Thank you, Shilpa, but we all have something to give Shilpa, and this is the bus biggest misconception, and this is where separation and segregation come and we see it every day in war, religion, politics, government, and schooling.

[00:25:51] Nisha: The biggest myth we have is that we are separate from each other, so most of my greatest. Realizations have come from speaking to homeless [00:26:00] people because something they've said or an experience they've shared has been a bit of a aha movement, aha moment for me. You know? Um, but your health is so important and if you are trying to change shilpa, I actually start with clients with food because in order to change it takes a lot of energy.

[00:26:19] Nisha: And if you haven't got good energy. From a good food source. You are not getting good sleep. You've not got good hydration from good quality water, you've not got good movement. Even if it's not walking and you've not got a good mindset, you know, it's very difficult to change. 

[00:26:37] Shilpa: Yeah. And those are all, you may want to call it food through the physical mouth, but it's, it's all 

[00:26:42] Nisha: yes.

[00:26:43] Shilpa: Nutrition, right. Nutrition for the mind and soul. Yes. That is wonderful. Um, one quick question this came to mind before we wrap up. Um, when you mentioned nutrition, one thing that occurred to me is more of like the Ayurvedic holistic, [00:27:00] um, homeopathic. I mean, there's so many ways in which, um, different cultures bring that, um, yes.

[00:27:08] Shilpa: Knowledge to how they, uh, talk about food. Do you have, um, any thoughts on that? 

[00:27:15] Nisha: So the problem is now, uh, shilpa is the world is full of ultra processed food, and the biggest myth in India, which was put into India, was the vegetable oils are better than ghee. So when Verda, we have kafa, Vata pitter. But the problem is the way Rotis made, the made way wheat is made now with all the chicken and the meat and also the milk.

[00:27:38] Nisha: It is full of antibiotics. So I know if I go to India. And have a lot of that food. I'll come back really swollen because everything's full of junk. So the idea is ideally is to go organic or homegrown, but you know, there is no right or wrong diet. Everything is personal and individual. So what suits [00:28:00] one person does not suit another.

[00:28:02] Nisha: And in India now, the biggest killer is diabetes. And there's a quote called. An Indian man leads with his stomach. So now one of the biggest problems in India is fermentation in the gut. So the rice is causing inflammation. The amount of sugar and starch and all the beans and lentils are chronically inflaming.

[00:28:22] Nisha: A lot of the. People, uh, so they have what's called a rice belly, and I see it with a lot of the temple. Holy men, they've got a rice belly, and this actually isn't health. So true health is an example of what you, you know, are yourself, the way you behave, and how your gut is. Because remember, going back to your neuroplasticity chopper, the gut brain is everything.

[00:28:45] Nisha: So your gut communicates through a motorway of networks. To the brain and the brain communicates back to the gut through like a goat path. So you have to do your own study, see what works for you. I highly recommend the Price. Pottinger [00:29:00] Foundation, if you Google that, that's based in the States. So Mr.

[00:29:03] Nisha: Price, Pottinger was an orthodontist. He went round all tribes in the world. He found immaculate teeth and beautiful jaws, no disease. Introducing now, um, you know, western food, junk food, and we've seen this in the Amazon jungle, you know, and heart disease, arthritis, diabetes, cancer. All these things come from our western life.

[00:29:27] Shilpa: Yes, it does. And the word balance came to mind because when you were mentioning in the Indian, um, I wouldn't say culture, but, uh, among many Indians, traditionally the food for at least even the vegetarians tends to be more leaning on the carbs. Hmm. And often that too comes at a price in modern day civilization with processed foods.

[00:29:52] Shilpa: Yes. So, 

[00:29:53] Nisha: yes. 

[00:29:54] Shilpa: Um, lentils, rice, and then yes. Cross oils that yes, causes that [00:30:00] imbalance. 

[00:30:01] Nisha: Yes, but everybody's different Chopra, and I think if everybody's cooking from scratch and looking what your gut needs and your tummy is flat and everything starts with the poops and you've got a good poop health, your poop should drop like an elephant or like a horse.

[00:30:16] Nisha: You know, it should just drop a bit, you know, naturally without making a mess. That is the seat, you know, really shows where your health is. So you have to do what's right for you. But cooking from scratch, you know, whether you vegetarian, whether you keto, all these people who cook from scratch and go back to eating clean to start with are all healthy, but you have to look what's right long term.

[00:30:38] Nisha: So a pure diet of vegan wouldn't work for me. A pure diet of meat wouldn't work for me. Somewhere a bit in the mixed, in the middle is what I feel works best for me. 

[00:30:49] Shilpa: It is a, um, per personal preference. Okay. Well, Nisha, I, I could talk to you for hours. Thank you so much for this conversation, and I'm looking forward to perhaps [00:31:00] reconnecting with you on another, uh, related subject.

[00:31:04] Nisha: Thank you so much Shilpa, for the opportunity and we have connected tonight through the heart. So as you said, the, you know, the Institute of Heart said, you know, everybody is connected somewhere along the line. So thank you for that amazing opportunity and sharing your knowledge as well tonight, Shilpa.

[00:31:21] Shilpa: Oh, um, it's been a pleasure. Thank you Nisha, and I hope you have a lovely day or evening.